In this powerful episode of the Make Work Not Suck podcast, co-hosts Daniel Steere and Ryan Hodges dive deep into one of the toughest aspects of professional life: layoffs and terminations. Whether you’re on the giving or receiving end, these conversations are never easy—but they don’t have to be devastating.

Ryan and Daniel share personal stories of difficult terminations and discuss the most common reasons people are let go, from strategic shifts and performance issues to economic downturns. They explore what executives, managers, and employees can do to handle these moments with empathy, dignity, and professionalism, minimizing the pain and maximizing future opportunities.

This episode covers:

• [00:00] Introduction to the Pain of Layoffs

• [04:15] Why Layoffs Happen: The Business Behind Tough Decisions

• [11:20] Managing Layoffs with Dignity: Practical Tips for Managers

• [16:42] What to Do When You Suspect You’re Next on the Layoff List

• [25:33] How to Support Laid-Off Employees and Remaining Team Members

• [32:08] Self-Reflection and Preparing Yourself for What’s Next

• [40:45] Why Getting Fired Isn’t the End of the World and How to Reframe It

Through real experiences and honest advice, Ryan and Daniel tackle how to make the layoff process less painful for everyone involved. If you’re facing a layoff, preparing to terminate someone, or just want to navigate difficult moments with grace, this episode is packed with valuable insights.

Key Takeaway: Getting fired or firing someone is tough—but it doesn’t have to destroy your confidence or your career. Learn how to approach these conversations with empathy and integrity, setting yourself and others up for success beyond the current role.